My  name  is  Can Oral.  I  was  born  in  Germany  and  my  father's  turkish,  and  my  mother  is  from  Finland.  They  met  in  Germany.  Growing  up  I  was  sort  of  living  between  Finland  and  Turkey  and  then  when  my  older  brother  had  to  go  to  school,  we  lived  in  Germany  because  we,  you  know,  we  were  in  school  and  stuff , so hmmm.

Yeah,  I  lived  the  whole  time  through  my  school  years  in  University  in  Germany,  but  short  after  I  actually  moved  to  United  States  and  lived  11  years  in  New  York,  where  I  had  my  own  business  and  doing  stuff.  And  then  I  moved  back  to  Germany  after  September  11th  and  applied  for  German  citizenship  because  I  was  living  on  the  Turkish  passport  in  the United  States  or  also  in  Germany  before  and  since  then  I'm  living  here  in  Berlin.  I'm  in  a  relationship , in  a  long  relationship  here  in  berlin,  also  with  a  mixed  background  guy.

And  I'm  a  musician,  photographer.  Although  I  don't  really  consider  myself  a  photographer.  I  think  maybe  the  best  way  to  describe  me  is  that  maybe  I'm  a  media  artist , because  I  work  with  different  media.  I  work  with  internet  photography,  music,  sound,  theater,  performance.  And  I  would  say  I  just  go  between  all  these  medias  just  to  keep  my  own  interest  in  what  I  do,  to  keep  changing  the  angle  of  my  interest.  I  can  be  quite  talkative.  I  appreciate  people  with  patience,  with  an  open  mind .

While  I  went  to  school  in  Germany  and  I  started  first  grade  and  that  kind  of  stuff.  And  I  remember  I  went  to  school  in  the  first  day  and  they  were  talking  a  lot  of  stuff  and,  you  know,  they  tried  to  be  funny  and  everything.  And  I  was  really  disappointed  because  I  didn't  think  I  was  learning  anything.  So  I  left  on  the  first  day.  I  had  to  go  back  the  next  day.  And  then  actually  the  school  started  and  I  was  a  pretty  mediocre  student.  I  would  say .

Not  having  a  German  name,  sort  of  I  thought,  you  know,  you  get  into  a  lot  of  uncomfortable  situations  in  a  way,  about  identity,  about  religion  and  that  stuff  because  my  national  background,  for  example,  my  Turkish  passport  or  something.  And,  you  know,  my  passport  said  I  was  a  muslim,  so  that  didn't  really  apply  to  me,  but  it  was  in  the  passport.  So  I  didn't  know  how  to  sort  of  deal  with  that  kind  of  situations.  And  I  found  them  always  really  uncomfortable.  So  that  sort  of  added  to  the  regular  uncomfortableness  of  going  to  school  regularly  when  you  actually  just  want  to  go  outside  and  play.

The  first  four  years  in  regular  German  school  I  didn't  like  very  much.  I  think  they  were  very  strict,  still  very  narrow  minded,  very  authoritarian.  And  that  changed  when  I  came  into  what  is  that  called  like  fifth  grade,  fifth,  6-7-8-9,  and  10,  which  is  I  don't  know  what  you  call  it  in  German.  It's  called   "Realschule".  And  I  was  in  a  school  called  "Gesamtschule",  "integrierte Gesamtschule",   secondary   school.  Okay , after  the  primary  comes  t he secondary  school . So   "Integrierte Gesamtschule",  which  is  sort  of  in  the  German  system , back  then,  when  I  went  to  school,  it  was  like  there  was   "Hauptschule",  sort  of , that's  the  shortest  way  before  going  to  work. Realschule   was  nine  years.  And  if  you  do  10  years,  you  could  go  on  for  another  three  years  to  do  your  Abitur,  which  is  the  high  school  diploma.  And  that's  what  I  did.

So  that  was  kind  of  interesting , because  it  would  the  system  was  that  if  you're  good,  for  example,  in  physics  or  something,  you  could  be  in  the  highest  grades.  And  if  you're  really  bad  in  German  or  something  or  in  history,  you  could  be  in  the  lowest  grade.  And  then  they  would  calculate  if  you  get  the  entry  to  the  Abi tur . So   school  itself,  I  don't  know , I'm  kind  of  very  ambivalent  about  it.

It's  like , to  me,  school  is  sort  of , well,  I  guess  it's  preparing  you  for  your  life  at  work.  So  it's  sort  of  it's  a  system  that  put  little  kids  into  boxes,  so  they  will  function  later  on  in  another  box  in  the  economic  society, you know.  I  mean,  it's  like,  yeah,  you're  getting  your  basics  to  be  able  to  produce  money , to produce , to be  part  of  this  society.   Because  maybe  of  my  upbringing  or  my  background,  I  never  really  felt  part  of  a  box  or  part  of  too  many  things.  So  I  was  not  so  interested  in  school.

Later  on,  after  my  abitur,  I  signed  up  for  university,  but  I  never  really  went.  I  just  used  the  advantages  of  being  a  student,  which  is,  you  know,  you  can  work  tax  free,  you  have  health  insurance.  So  even  when  I  moved  to  New  york,  I  was  still  a  student.  But,  yeah,  I  never  really  went.  And  I  never  really  finished  anything  at  University.  I  think  it  would  make  sense  to  find  a  better  alternative  to  school.  Part  of  it's  like  a  fabric,  you  know,  it's  a  fabric  of.  Yeah.  I  mean,  it  comes  out  of  industrial  revolution  or  something.  You  know,  a  machine  has  to  work,  so  the  human  has  to  work  in  the  machine.  And  like  all  the  animals,  chicken  in  the  chicken  battery  have  to  work  and  lay  eggs  and  be  slaughtered  to  end  up  on  your  plate.  I  don't  see  a  big  difference  there , I  don't  find  it  very  appealing.  I  don't  know  how  it's  like  today,  so  I  can't  really  tell,  but  I'm  glad  I'm  out  of  school.

I  like  learning  a  lot,  and  I  like  to  learn  things  that  you  can  apply.  So  obviously  it's  interesting  to  learn  languages,  that  stuff.  But  at  least  these  days  you  don't  really  need  to  count  too  much  or,  you  know,  you  don't  need  to  write  anymore.  Your  cell  phone  does  it  for  you.  Your  computer  does  it  for  you.  It  even  translates  for  you.  So  maybe  soon  we  don't  have  to  learn  languages  because  some  gadget  will  simultaneously  translate it  for  you.  We'll  see.  We'll  see.  But  I  like  learning.  And  I mean that's  why  I  like  to  use  different  media,  because  each  time  you  switch  a  media,  let's  say  you  switch  from  music  to  photography . Music  you're  working  and  you're  learning  through  your  ears.  So  when  you  switch  to  photography,  you're  looking  and  you're  learning  through  your  eyes.  And  then  you know I  think  by  moving  and  switching  and  changing  medias,  you  open  different  gateways  into  your  learning  system,  into  your  genetics  or   however  you  want  to  call  this.  I  mean,  I  remember  I  was  really,  really  interested  in  music  and  mainly  pop  music  as  a  young  kid,  and  I  could  sing  all  the  songs,  although  I  didn't  even  know  how  to  speak  english,  so  I  would  just  sing  along  in  some  madeup  language.

Music  is  very  immersive.  You  can  dive  into  it  or  it  just  surrounds  you.  And  I  like  that  feeling  when  you  lose  yourself  into  art  or  into  music  or  into  feelings  and  it's  a  meditative  state  in  a  way.  I  was  interested  in  it.  And  where  I  grew  up,  there  was  sort  of  a  youth center  kind  of  close  to  my  house.  And  it  was  very  intriguing  because  the  cool,  cool  kids  would  hang  out  there.  So  I  just  sort  of  started  going  there.  And  in  the  basement,  they  had  these  rehearsal  spaces  for  different  rock  bands.  And  if  I  had  a  chance,  I  would  peek  inside  and  I  asked  if  I  could  watch  them  rehearse  or  watch  them  play.  And  I  think  at  one  point  somebody  just  asked  me  if  I  wanted  to  join,  and  they  were  all  twice  as  old  as  me.  But  I  just  sort  of  started  using  a  microphone  and  using  some  drums  and  stuff  like  that  and  got  more  and  more  into  it,  you  know.  Yeah.

My  father  had  a  gas  station.  You  know,  it's  kind  of  a  wild  place  in  a  way,  because  there's,  like,  public  traffic,  even  like  some  shady  people  show  up.  And  I  don't  exactly  know  what  my  father  was  doing  there.  But  it  was  a  pretty  rich  environment  because  I  learned  through  that  very  young  how  to  be  very  self  sufficient  I  think.  My  dad  told  me  once,  like,  if  you  need  any  money,  just  clean  somebody's  windows,  window screen,  and  hold  out  your  hand.  And you  know they will give you some  money , because  you're  cute  and  young.  And  so  I  did.  And  you  do  it  a  few  times.  All  of  a  sudden,  you  have  five  euros  or  10  euros  when  you're  six  years  old.  That's  enough  money  to  go  to  the  movies  or  buy  ice  cream  or  stuff  like  this.

It  was  a quite  simple  lesson  of  just  to  be  smart  about  how  to  get  to  money.  And  that  money  is  not  that  important,  really.  It's  not  like,  okay,  I  spent  all  day  and  then  have  lots  of  money.  It  was  just  like,  okay,  if  I  want  to  do  this,  then  it  takes  20  minutes.  I'll  do  it,  and  then  I'm  off,  and  I  have  what  I  want.

Growing  up  on  a  gas  station  also  introduced  me  to  pornography.  First  time,  I  think,  because  employees  of  my  father,  they  had  dirty  magazines  there.  And  that  was  quite  interesting,  quite  exciting.  It  was  just  a  place  where  you  can  discover  a  lot  of  things.  And  then  one  day,  somebody  blew  up  my  father's  gas  station  because  of  my  father's  Turkish  background.

I  don't  think  it  was  one  of  the  first  sort  of  right  wing  attacks  to  immigrants  in  Germany,  but  it  was  quite  a  big  thing  because  it  didn't  really  happened  in  that  magnitude  in  a  while.  I  mean,  blowing  up  a  gas  station,  it's  quite  a  thing.  I  think  in  that  moment,  I  also  sort  of  realize  how  violent  this  can  be  or  how  fragile  life  is.  And,  you  know,  your  situation,  or  you  think  everything  is  safe  because  you're  in  a  family  and  you're  a  kid.  You  trust  in  the  safety.  And  then  you  learn  in  one  second  that  it's  not  fake,  but  you  need  to  trust.  You  need  to  trust  either,  or  you  need  to  trust  in  yourself,  not  necessarily  in  this  system  around  you,  because  that  system  always  has  sort  of  this  Ying  and  Yang  has  this,  like,  left  and  right,  black  and  white,  whatever,  you  know.  So  I  learned  quite  fast,  quite  early,  how  to  rely  on  myself  and  how  to  trust  in  where  I'm  going  and  that  I'm  gonna  be  fine  with  it.  Besides,  gas  stations  have  lots  of  chocolates,  alcohol,  pornography,  gas.

I  told  my  dad  once,  I  will  never  drive.  I  never  made  a  driver's  license  until  today.  I  never  drive.  And  my  dad  was  really  proud  of  me  for  actually  doing  that.  Well,  I  mean,  he  just  remembered.  So  for  him,  it's  like  telling  my  dad,  as  a  mechanic,  as  somebody  who's  running  a  gas  station,  who's  really  into  cars,  who  also  comes  from  this  automobile  generation,  you  know,  family  car.  And  I  always  hated  cars.  I  never  liked  them  really.  I  just  stuck  to  it.  I  stayed  true  to  my  word,  and  he  really  appreciated  that.

He  told  me  that  years,  years  and  years,  and  years  later,  he  was  like,  by  the  way,  you  never  made  your  drivers  and  you  never  drove  really  proud  of  you.  I  thought  that  was  really  cute.

Well,  life  is  not  a  job.  It's  not  like,  oh,  I  want  to  be  a  truck  driver.  I  want  to  be  a  Butcher  or  I  want  to  be  an  artist.  You  know,  I  think  for  me,  life  is  definitely  a changing  process.  And  once  you  probably  have  a  job,  once  you  could  consider  yourself  something,  I  think  then  it's  already  time  to  change.  I  get  bored  really  easily.  And  for  me,  the  most  important  thing  is  the  experience  itself.  And  if  you  get  too  comfortable  in  your  situation,  you  lose  the  touch  to  the  experience,  because  the  experience  sort  of  gets  blurred  by  habits,  by  self  assurance.  Oh,  I'm  an  artist,  you  know,  great.  I  make  money.  Great.  It  doesn't  challenge  you  anymore.  So  I  think  that's  the  most  important  part  to  learn,  to  really  dig  deep  and  feel,  try  to  understand  the  experiences  you  have.

When  I  was  a  kid,  I  think  the  first  thing  that  I  wanted  to  be  was  Cleopatra.  So  that  was  my  first  big  job fantasy  or  whatever.  I  mean,  you  know,  some  people  want  to  be  a   truckdriver , I  wanted  to  be  Cleopatra.   You  know,  it  changed,  obviously.  But  I  also  like  to  go  with  the  flow , I  think.  I  think  you  can  imagine,  you  know,  you  look  at  your  interest.  I  like  to  make  music.  I  like  to  make  photography,  so  I  should  be  an  artist.

But  again,  that's  sort  of  the  term  artist.  And  the  picture  of  an  artist  is  too  close  for  what  you  maybe  become  in  the  end,  which  might  be  a  much  bigger  picture.  Let's  say,  as  a  kid,  you  have  the  imagination,  or  you  have  the  idea  of  becoming  a  pilot . Once  you're  a  pilot.  I  think  that  has  not  so  much  to  do  with  the  fantasy  you  used  to  have  as  a  kid.  That's  much  grander.  It's  much  bigger.  The  Sky  is  much  bigger  when  you're  a  kid.  And  when  you're  actually  sitting  there  eating  bad  airline  food  on  the  airplane  and  flying  for  15  hours  in  the  cockpit  and  not  moving,  the  fantasy  becomes  quite  small  and  not  so  interesting.  A  lot  of  people  stick  to  their  fantasy  and  maybe  become  very  unhappy.  Very , I  mean,  I  can't  imagine  myself,  at  least  in  one  profession  or  doing  one  thing  for  too  long.  As  much  as  I  can't  imagine  staying  in  one  place  forever  or  for  too  long,  you  know,  I  need  changes.  I  need  a  development.

I've  been  thinking  already.  I'm  in  Berlin  for,  I  think,  almost  20  years  now,  and  I've  been  thinking  already  for  a  couple  of  years  to  move.  I  haven't  really  decided  on  where  to  go.  For  me,  that  was  at  least  for  a  long  time,  quite  clear.  I  always  wanted  to  move  to  Mexico  because  I  feel  very  much  at  home  there.  I  don't  know.  Right  now,  I  don't  have  that  place.  And  I  like  that  I  don't  have  a  clear  idea  about  where  I  want  to  go.  I  think  the  best  decisions  are  made  by  accident,  are  made  by  nature,  are  made  by  destiny  or  whatever,  you  know,  deciding  yourself  where  you're  gonna  go,  what  you're  gonna  do  always  has  the  50%  possibility  of  doing  the  wrong  decision.  So  if  things  just  happen,  it's  always  the  right  decision.

One  of  the  biggest  cuts  in  my  life  was  actually  when  my  mom  died,  you  know . She  died  when  I  was  11  and  th at was  quite  traumatic  and  horrible  and  that  whole  thing,  thinking  about  it  afterwards,  it's   very  kind  of  difficult  to  explain . But  when  that  happened,  I  think  I  felt  for  the  first  time  in  my  life,  I  could  feel  the  universe.  It  was  like  I  felt  so  alone,  that  I  could  feel  the   endless space  around  me.  I  don't  know  if  you  can  understand  what  I'm  talking  about . And  that  feeling  in  retrospect,  I  mean,  it's  almost  like  an  epiphany  to  know  this  space.  I  mean,  I  feel  like  I  know  the  universe.  I  can't  describe  it,  but  I  can  feel  it.

I  can  feel  the  endless  vast  of  nothing.  I  don't  see  that  in  a  negative  or  in  a  positive  way.   What  I  see   in  a  positive  way  that  I  tapped  into  this  or  something.  But  I  think  that  was  definitely  a  very  life  changing  experience.  And  I  came  across  that  experience  not  so  much  in  this  sad  sense,  but  I  came  across  that  experience  a  few  more  times.

It's  reassuring  that  you  are  safe  in  this  big  nothing  because  there's  nothing  to  be  safe  off,  you  know  what  I  mean?  So  it's  like  I'm  good,  you  know?  I  feel  like  I'm  good.  I'm  fine.  I  can  relay  on  myself.

I'm  fine  in  this  position,  because  how  do  I  describe  if  you  have  that  experience  of  this  endlessness?  You're  like  an  atom  in  this  universe,  but  everything  is  safe  because  you  have  your  position.  Yeah,  I  can't  really.  I  mean,  it's  not  that  I  talk  about  this  so  much,  but  this  is  maybe  the  closest  ho w I  can  describe  it  or  something.  I  can  trust.  I  would  say  that's  maybe  the  best  description.  You  don't  have  to  say  what  you  trust  in,  you  know,  I  can  trust.

I  love  putting  myself  into  a  situation  where  you're  not  safe  in  a  way.  It's  like  if  you  go  into  a  new  country,  you  have  to  meet  new  people.  You  have  to  find  your  way  around.  You  have  to  communicate.  So  all  of  that  is  really  exciting  I  think . It  really  energizes  me.  It  makes  me  going.  It  really  makes  me  come  out,  you  know . Maybe  being  in  one  place  for  too  long,  you  start  to,  like,  slow  down  and  you  have  your  friends  and  you  know  where  to  find  everything. This  break  or  this  change  is  for  me,  very  healthy,  you  know,  and  I  can  only  recommend  it  to  everyone  that  moving  shows  you  the  world  you  know . It  doesn't  matter  where  you  move  or  how  you  move.

New  York  is  a  pretty  good  place  to  move  to,  first  of  all,  because  of  the  architecture  of  the  city.  I  mean,  it's  divided  in  numbers.  The  streets  are  counted  from  zero  to  105 th  Street  or  157 th  Street.  And  it  goes  east  and  west,  so  everybody  you  can  get  around  immediately.  It's  a  very  foreign,  very  visitor  friendly  city.

The  U S American  attitude  is  actually  very  open.  Well,  it's  very  talkative  and  very  open  to  anybody  who  shows  up.  It's  not  that  you  are  left  out.  It  might  be  a  bit  probably  doesn't  go  too  deep  or,  you  know,  probably  some  of  the  promises  won't  happen  in  the  end.  It's  a  feel  good,  feel  good  place  in  a  way,  you  know . The  US  American  way  of  life  is  the  feel  good  way  of  life , you  know.  It's  a  bit  shallow,  but  it's  definitely  fun,  you  know .

It  was  a  good  place  to  make  music.  I  started  my  first  business  when  I  lived  in  New  York.  I  opened  a  record  shop.  I  opened  a  record  shop  without  any  money.  I  didn't  have  anything,  really,  and  I  just  talked  people  into  doing  it  and  giving  me  money  and  a  space  and  everything.  And  then  I  think  six   months  later,  I  had  a  record  shop  going  only  in  the  US,  you  know,  everything  is  influential,  and  I  don't  see  that  very  judgmental.  There's  good  influence.  There's  bad  influence.  For  example,  here  in  Berlin,  if I   deal  a  lot  with  the  music  scene,  I  don't  feel  like  I'm  really  learning  anything  because  it's  like  everybody  knows  the  same  thing.  Everybody  talks  about  the  same  thing.  Everybody  shows  the  same  thing.  So  I  think  I'm  more  influenced  by  somebody  who's  quite  different  to  me.  And  I'm  always  also  very  attracted  by  people  and  things  that  are  different  to  what  I  know  to  who  I  am  myself . Influence  is something  you  only  have  when  you  can  go  deeper,  when  you  can  dig  into  something,  or  if  you  really  get  to  know  somebody  that  can  influence  you  because  you  learn  something  that  is  not  you,  it's  a  Mirror.  So  I  think,  obviously  my  relationship  is  influential  because  it  showed  me  many  times,  you  know,  that  you  can  be  a  real  asshole  about  something  or  that  you  have  positive  sides.

But  it's  not  like  this  music  journalist  questions,  who  are  your  influences?  And  I  would  list  a  couple  of  musicians  that  I  like,  I  think,  in  a  way,  influenced  by  technology,  because  technology  is  also  something,  as  I  mentioned  before,  if  you  make  music  and  I  do  electronic  music,  so  you  have  a  piece  of  gear  or  you  have  a  gadget , a drum  machine  or  something,  and  the  machine  itself  filters  and  puts  you  into  a  direction  that  you  can not.  It's  an  extension  of  your  body  and mind  and  soul  in  a  way.

I  think  technology  is  very  influential  to  me  because  then  when  I  sort  of  discovered  photography  for  myself,  the  camera  itself,  this  whole  idea  that  my  eyes  are  being  focused  in  a  different  way  on  something.  I'm  not  just  looking  at  the  world.  I'm  sort  of  focusing  on  the  world,  and  I'm  looking  at  details,  color  and  structures  and  whatever . That  is  way  more  influential  than,  I  would  say  Nietzsche.  I  think  all  this  input  we  have  coming  from  school,  coming  from  stuff  you  read,  stuff  you  watch,  in  my  case,  becomes  influential  sometimes  afterwards,  like  years  after .   For  example,  I  was  never  really  interested  in  figurative  art.  In  figurative  painting  or  something.   I  always  liked  abstract  painting  when  I  was  young,  until  to  a  certain  point  where  I  saw   El Greco. 

He's  quite  figurative,  but  at  the  same  time,  very  psychedelic.  So  at  that  time,  all  of  a  sudden,  I  understood  figurative  painting,  for  example.  And  I  knew  about  these  painters  before,  but  they  never  really  touched  me.  So  I  needed  this  one  little  key,  which  was  El  Greco,  to  open  a  whole  new  world  for  me  and  I  understood  that  figurative  painting  in  a  way  is abstract,  too,  because  it's  an  abstraction,  of  course,  of  a  model , of  a  person  or  of an  idea  put  on  canvas.  So  maybe  El Greco  was  influential  to  me , yes.  The  one  and  only , he's  amazing  yeah.

Reflection  is  just  very  important  - to  always  reflect  on  your  situation.   And  with  reflection,  I  don't  mean  necessarily  only  the  sort  of  analytic  reflection  of,  like,  okay,  what  have  I  done?  And  what  is  it  going  to  affect?  And  who  is  it  going  to  affect?  And  how  is  it  going  to  affect  my  future?  More  like  it  has  to  be  a  mixture  of  analytic  thinking,  but  also  a  feeling.  You  have  to  sort  of  feedback,  or  I'm  not  good  in  telling  people  what  to  do,  but  at  least  for  myself,  I  have  to  feel  things  as  well.  So  I  try  to  understand  things  and  feel  them  at  the  same  time.  And  then  I  know  I'm more  or  less  on  the  right  path.  Or  I'm  correct.  I'm  correct  in  my  thinking  and  my  feeling.  Or  I'm  correct  in  my  feeling  and  my  thinking.  To  be  or  to   actually  let  yourself  be  in  that  kind  of  state.  It's  sort  of  important  not  to  be  bombarded  by  information,  you  know . Or be  bombarded  by  information,  but  then  step  back  and  take  your  time  and  just  sort  of  hear  it  reverbing  in  yourself  or  feel  it  reverbing  in  yourself  and  see  what  kind  of  ideas  or  what  kind  of  understanding  comes  out  of  that  moment.

We're  thinking  beings,  but  we're  also  feeling  beings,  so  we  need  to  keep  that  in  a  balance.  I  think  Andy  Warhol  said  that  too  much  information  kills  creativity.  Creativity  is  sort  of  the  product  of  emotional,  intellectual  reflection.  Always  remember  that  you  are  yourself  the  most  important  thing  because  you  are  the  interface  between  life  and  everything.  You  know,  it's  your  eyes,  it's  your  ears,  and  you  have  to,  you  know,  thinking  and  feeling  is  the  translation  of  life.

If  you  don't  feel  it,  you  haven't  really  learned  it.  You  know,  you  haven't  really.  It's  just  information.  It's  just  buying  books  or  something.  If  you  read  a  book,  you  feel  it.  You're  internalizing  information  with  life.  And,  I  mean,  we're  living  beings.  We're  here  for  life.  What  else  is  important?

It's  all  about  the  experience.  It's  all  about  the  fun,  even,  like,  all  the  bad  experiences,  all  the  sad  stuff.  It's  all  important.  If  I  have  a  broken  heart  or  something,  I'm  like,  I  know  I'm  gonna  come  out  and  be  much  smarter,  emotionally  and  intellectually.  Same  when  you  get  sick  or  something,  you  know,  after  three  days  of  fever  and  sneezing,  when  you're  well,  you  feel  really  clean  and  fresh  and  new,  you  know,  that's  life.  You  know,  I  think,  you  know.  Yeah,  it's  nothing  new,  but  I  can  tell  it  firsthand.